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Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Quickstep.
5/9/2007  9:13:00 PM
The body moves over a floor that is still.
Then the body catches up to the front foot and the moving foot moves ahead Explanation. As the RF passes the toe of the LF. The heel of the LF will raise from the floor. Page 9. If you can get your body in front of your moving foot then I would have to ask how long does it stay ahead according to you.
Will you read that again. As the RF passes the Toe of the LF. The heel of the LF will raise from the floor.. The ball of the RF will be skimmimg the floor.
Moving the weight of the body from the heel to the ball is not bobbing up and down on the spot. It is as it is written on pages 9 10 13
Lets pin you down into making a statement. Do you beleive that dancing is like walking.
I say the only thing that is similar is that we have two legs.
Imbalance. Do you have the same meaning for that word that I have. A noun. A lack of proportion or balance. If my feet are in contact with the floor then I am balanced. I can take one foot of the floor if I am standing still. But not whilst I am moving if I am to stay balanced.
Could you imagine if you were at the Ballet and those young ladies stepped across the stage with their weight forward of their feet.Not a pretty site don't you think
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by anymouse
5/9/2007  9:41:00 PM
"The body moves over a floor that is still."

Yes, it moves from behind it, to over it, to beyond it. Anytime you are in a non-risen position and not performing some kind of checking action, the body will just keep on moving - it DOES * NOT * PAUSE.

"As the RF passes the toe of the LF. The heel of the LF will raise from the floor."

That all depends on the footwork and dynamics of the step. You keep citing one particular case, but it's only one of at least three broad categories, ALL OF THEM DIFFERENT.

"If you can get your body in front of your moving foot then I would have to ask how long does it stay ahead according to you."

NOT VERY LONG.

"Will you read that again. As the RF passes the Toe of the LF. The heel of the LF will raise from the floor.. The ball of the RF will be skimmimg the floor."

In the cases where the body is going to get ahead of both feet, it will do it before the moving foot has passed beyond the standing foot.

"Moving the weight of the body from the heel to the ball is not bobbing up and down on the spot."

Glad you realize it - which by extension means it has NOTHING to do with your bouncing ball story either. And remember that the weight DOES NOT STOP OVER the ball of the foot, for the simple reason that the MOVEMENT OF THE BODY DOES NOT STOP!

"It is as it is written on pages 9 10 13"

No, it's not. You keep making up this rediculous idea that the body should stop and hold stationary over the moving foot. But that is not to be found in any reputable text, because it would be a VERY SILLY WAY TO MOVE.

"Lets pin you down into making a statement. Do you beleive that dancing is like walking."

Yes. There are some differences of very limited actual consequence, such as not picking up the foot, but the basic BODY ACTION and STANDING FOOT USAGE are quite similar.

"I say the only thing that is similar is that we have two legs."

You've offered ample proof of your inability to undestand the BODY ACTION OF DANCING.

"Imbalance. Do you have the same meaning for that word that I have. A noun. A lack of proportion or balance. If my feet are in contact with the floor then I am balanced."

No, you are only balanced if your center of mass is over or between supporting feet. Most of the time when walking or dancing, it will not be. Instead, it will be projecting forward or backwards of a SINGLE STANDING FOOT. It's only balanced when it's briefly over the standing foot, or briefly between two standing feet (in types of movmeent where split weight might actuall occur)

"I can take one foot of the floor if I am standing still. But not whilst I am moving if I am to stay balanced."

Regardless if your moving foot is on the floor or not, it MUST NOT BE SUPPORTING YOUR BODY - otherwise it would be a standing foot and not a moving foot. That's why you can't stay in balance when walking or dancing. You can and should maintain a stable poise, but you CANNOT MAINTAIN BALANCE unless you are willing to PAUSE THE PROGRESS OF YOUR BODY IN PLACE until you moving foot is in position to receive it's weight. Sadly, it sounds like you must be dancing this way, which is really as shame as it looks so pathetic, and is completely unnatural. I'm sure you don't make that mistake when you walk!

"Could you imagine if you were at the Ballet and those young ladies stepped across the stage with their weight forward of their feet."

I'm sure they do use both projecting/imbalance movement, along with the kinds of pause-in-balance movements that we have very little use for in ballroom. After all, projecting movement is the normal way that humans move!
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Quickstep
5/9/2007  10:08:00 PM
I give you page numbers and direct quotes from the teccnique books. All I get in return is supposition.
If you walked the way you dance you would get arrested. And if you danced the way you walk. How interesting.
With your foot moving ahead of your body you cannot get your body ahead of your foot.
Would anybody care to go to the Learning Centre. Click on a Forward Walk and study. It doesn't cost anything. If you can see the body in front of the moving foot at anytime . Tell me which frame.
If Anonymous can tell me the three different types of Forward Walks he speaks of. Then tell me. Dont try to tell me that if this is a Toe following the Heel Lead there is going to be any difference in the passing foot action. Come on lets have books and page numbers.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Anonymous
5/10/2007  7:23:00 AM
"I give you page numbers and direct quotes from the teccnique books."

Fine. Please point me to where it says that the only similarity between dancing and walking is that you have two feet. You can't, because you made that ignorant theory up on your own.

"If you walked the way you dance you would get arrested. And if you danced the way you walk. How interesting.

"With your foot moving ahead of your body you cannot get your body ahead of your foot."

I do it BEFORE my foot moves ahead of my body.

"Would anybody care to go to the Learning Centre. Click on a Forward Walk and study."

Sadly, it's done wrong there. Jonathan didn't fully understand the issues when he made that sequence years ago, as even he will point out!

"It doesn't cost anything. If you can see the body in front of the moving foot at anytime . Tell me which frame."

The body is obviously far ahead the moving foot at the time when the moving foot becomes the moving foot!

"If Anonymous can tell me the three different types of Forward Walks he speaks of. Then tell me."

Rising, lowering, and constant altitude. And then variations of these around various average altitudes, high medium or low. Each will have DIFFERENT DETAILS because each is a DIFFERENT ACTION.

"Dont try to tell me that if this is a Toe following the Heel Lead there is going to be any difference in the passing foot action."

Try taking some lessons with a real teacher. It's in the book, but you've proven your inabilty to understand the full impact of what is written there.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Q.
5/10/2007  6:36:00 PM
Go look at Anna's comments under midway. It says it all.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by anymouse
5/10/2007  9:11:00 PM
"Go look at Anna's comments under midway. It says it all."

No, I'm afraid that all that your other alias has done is repeate your same old mistakes!

"She" hasn't for example done a thing to explain this rediculous idea of yours that the only similarity between walking and dancing is that both have two feet.

Come on, get a clue. Walking and dance walking are fundamentally THE SAME IDEA in their body and standing leg action. There's a trivial difference in that the moving foot is not picked up, and dance walking draws out phases that we tend to pass quickly through in ordinary walking, but they are are just variations of emphasis upon the SAME FUNDAMENTAL MEANS OF LOCOMOTION.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Q
5/11/2007  3:44:00 AM
Who thinks lifting the feet is a trivial thing. Show or point in the direction of any instructor and they will tell you. You have lost control if the feet are not skimming the floor. Except of course the Tango which is a walking dance. Thats right a walking dance.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Anonymous
5/11/2007  9:10:00 AM
"Who thinks lifting the feet is a trivial thing."

If you actually understood the nature of the action of the STANDING FOOT AND BODY, you would recognize that this - the important part - is not really altered by the decision to pick up the foot or not. These critical actions are basically the same between WALKING vs. DANCE WALKING - THEY DIFFER ONLY IN THE EMPHASIS.

"Show or point in the direction of any instructor and they will tell you. You have lost control if the feet are not skimming the floor."

No one recommended picking up the feet.

You are unable to understand that pointing out how picking up the feet will not alter the body or standing leg action IS NOT THE SAME THING AS ADVOCATING PICKING UP THE FEET.

"Except of course the Tango which is a walking dance. Thats right a walking dance."

EXCEPT THAT THE BODY AND STANDING FOOT ACTION IN TANGO IS NOTHING LIKE ORDINARY WALKING!

Again, you concentrate on the TRIVIAL DETAIl OF PICKING UP THE FEET, AND AS A RESULT

TOTALLY

IGNORE

THE

CHARACTER

OF

MOVEMENT

Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by Q.
5/11/2007  5:20:00 PM
You have an incredbly short memory. What exactly did you mean when you wrote
When you dance you are also only on one leg at a time. Do you remember writting that
Your memory is not very good going from one paragraph to the next. In one it would seem you are saying it doesn' t matter if the feet are lifted from the floor. And then. No one recommended picking up the feet.
You should be condeming it. Picking up the feet will alter the body or standing leg action. If you lift your feet from the floor your feet will get faster and you will go out of time with the music. And if you are not aware of the timing you have double trouble. The foot must skim the floor. When we walk our foot does not skim the floor. If it did we would be kicking out feet against any uneven pavement or pathway. Isn't that right.
Re: Weight ON/IN the foot vs. OVER the foot
Posted by anymouse
5/11/2007  8:10:00 PM
"You have an incredbly short memory. What exactly did you mean when you wrote
When you dance you are also only on one leg at a time. Do you remember writting that"

Of course I remember writing it. It is so obvious that it was quite shocking that I had to point out such a basic and obvious fact to you!

"In one it would seem you are saying it doesn' t matter if the feet are lifted from the floor. And then. No one recommended picking up the feet."

There is no conflict between those statements. I did not recommend picking up the feet, I pointed out that picking up the moving foot

WOULD

NOT

SERIOUSLY

ALTER

THE

STANDING

LEG

ACTION

That is how the STANDING LEG ACTION can be essentially the same idea in walking, where we do usually pick up the feet, and in dancing where we do not usually lift them.

"If you lift your feet from the floor your feet will get faster"

Only if you have a MISTIMED BODY ACTION.

If you have a well timed body action, your feet will not move too fast, regardless if they are on the floor or not. Do you feet move too fast when you walk down the street? Obviously not. To make them move slower in dancing, you must SLOW DOWN AND DRAW OUT THE BODY ACTION. Dragging your feet to keep them from going to fast is a crutch - a quick fix when there's no time to learn the proper BODY ACTION.

You should not pick up your feet, but YOU SHOULD NOT DRAG THEM WITH BRAKING PRESSURE either. They should skim the floor, NOT DRAG ON IT.

"you will go out of time with the music."

Timing is a function of BODY MOVEMENT. If your body is off time, your are OFF TIME REGARDLESS OF YOUR FEET.

"When we walk our foot does not skim the floor."

Obviously - but you still let this UNIMPORTANT DETAIL DETRACT YOU FROM THE CORE BODY ACTION.

You will never understand the dances until you learn one simple less.

IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MOVING FOOT !

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